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September 16, 2009

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Edie

"The liberal anti-Semitism strides delicately, appoints a hostile commission and finds an obsequious Jew, to dance to the tune of the Gentile landowner," Margalit wrote. "The role was assigned to Richard Goldstone, and he met the expectations fully."

Excuse me?

Justice Goldstone is not only Jewish, but is a self-described 'zionist'. Prior to this investigation, he was a highly respected chief Prosecutor of the United Nations International Criminal Tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and for Rwanda. He chaired the inquiry into Kosovo and was a member of a panel which monitored Nazi activity in Argentina.

Justice Goldstone specified that he would only undertake the task of investigating allegations of violations of international law in Gaza if he could examine violations by all parties involved and followed through. The report details war crimes committed by both Israel and Hamas.

His daughter, Nicole, told (Israeli) Army Radio this morning that the report was 'softened' due to her father's role in the investigation.

It is a ridiculous and insulting claim to now say Justice Goldstone is no longer credible, competent or worse 'anti-semitic'.

Shame.

Edie

Also, this report simply supports the field investigations of other independent NGO's and media outlets.

Many of the findings support Dion's own reporting as well as reports by Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. For instance, Amnesty International's report can be found at: http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE15/015/2009/en

Read about some of the parallels at AIUSA blog 'Human Rights Now' at http://blog.amnestyusa.org/

The report also supports findings from the UN Security Council Board of Inquiry led by Ian Martin (May 5): http://www.hlrn.org/img/documents/4MayGltrtoSCBrd.pdf

and the findings from the report by the High Commissioner of Human Rights (August): http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/A%20HRC%2012%2037_AEV.pdf

Not only should the UN move forward on this report, but enforcing the recommendations of the report offers the best hope for justice and accountability.

Davidrachelimp

The Reports credibility was trashed before it was written because of two points:

1) Where was the UN Human Rights Commission for the last several years when Gaza launched missiles at their neighbor? Cheering!!

2) The Human Rights Commission['s outstanding members are: Somolia of Darfor fame, that great humanitarian government of Libya of Pan Am fame, Saudi Arabia of Twin Towers fame.

Either Goldstone is a fool for accepting an assignment from such a barbaric bunch or indeed he is indeed dishonest.

Edie

What is your point David? To distract from the issues on the table?

The issue is the actual Goldstone report and it's findings by experienced, credible, respected jurists. The report just confirms once more, from another credible source what Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and other UN inquiries as well as Palestinian and Israeli groups (including Israeli soldiers involved in venture) have reported over the last nine months. And let's not forget media accounts from journalists from Israel, Europe, the U.S. which also reported on white flag killings, the targetting of medics, the use of white phosphorous, etc ...

Be honest with yourself. Can it be possible that ALL these organizations and ALL these individuals are anti-semitic and have it out for Israel (including the Israeli soldiers) or is it possible that what they've documented and reported on is indeed based on ... fact?

The Goldstone report recommends first and foremost that Israel and Hamas undertake CREDIBLE, transparent investigations into the cited incidences. So, why the fear?

serendipity

Typical Zionist obfuscation from Davidrachelimp. Never let facts get in the way of your victim mentality. In fact Hamas had done a remarkably good job at keeping the ceasefire in Gaza last year. Only a handful of totally ineffective rockets were fired from Gaza during that period and they came from a Fatah-related organisation - the Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade. The total number of rockets dropped very significantly from the previous six months. Given the amount of control Hamas is allowed to have by Israel and its sanctions, this was an amazingly good performance. During this time Israel failed to uphold its side of the bargain by removing the blockade. Then Israel, on US election day, killed several Hamas leaders in a rocket attack - but this time from planes. Totally predictably, Hamas felt it had to respond. This then gave Israel the excuse for another bout of genocide. Of course most of the Western media missed the Israeli attack.

mingr1

Davidrachelimp: where do you get your statement that Somalia and Libya are members of the UN HR Commission? From the UN website the HR Commission held its final session in March 2006 and was replaced by the UN HR Council. While Saudi Arabia is one of the 53 current members of that body, neither Libya nor Somalia are. Apart from the South African Goldstone, the other members of the Gaza fact finding mission are British, Irish and Pakistani.

August West

Israel should enlist the help of its Holocaust-denying Turkish ally to deny the reality of this report.

Monty Bloom

Regardless of the credibility of the report, anti Israeli proponents believe that if Israel gave in to every "Palestinian" demand peace would follow.It probably would, together with the destruction of Israel and it's population.Get real people and keep a vigilant eye on Iran.
War always leads to abuses and the Israelis do their best to conduct themselves in line with accepted guidelines and are conducting enquiries equally impartial as the Goldstone report.

Edie

re: " ... [Israel is] conducting enquiries equally impartial as the Goldstone report."

The investigations into violations of international law by members of the Israeli Defence Forces are not considered impartial and credible.

Although Israel has highly respected democratic institutions, investigations conducted into violations by the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) are conducted by the IDF themselves and usually consist of interviews with the troops involved only.

Field investigations where witnesses are interviewed, forensic evidence examined and the lay of the land examined are rarely undertaken which can contribute to an incomplete picture of the whole story. Many times, the findings of these investigations are not made public, and even when they are, the evidence to substantiate the findings is not released making verification difficult.

The Goldstone report first and foremost encourages both Israel and Hamas, the de facto administration in Gaza, to conduct their own credible and transparent investigations into these allegations and prosecute those found responsible for violating international human rights and humanitarian law. It is only if the parties fail to do so, that the report recommends international bodies to move forward with actions.

Ian

Let me explain why I think the report's credibility was compromised, and let me know what you think.

1. Christine Chinkin was a member of the commission, yet she already concluded that Israel had committed war crimesbefore she began the investigation. See letter to Online Times http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/letters/article5488380.ece
Thus she reached the conclusion before she even began investigating the facts.

2. The report concludes that the Mission did not find any evidence that Hamas engaged in combat in civilian dress (paragraph 493), yet there is widely available videos on the internet that show Hamas fighting in civilian dress
See http://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/video/video434432.html

3.In paragraph 495, the report said that it could not establish the use of mosques for military purposes, yet widely available videos on the internet show mosques being used for military purposes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zd55Zhj5gQ&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwP_LusgPAw&feature=player_embedded

If I can see all of this while sitting in my living room, how could the Goldstone team miss it?

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