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Peanut butter

Hugo has always been popular in China. His works are well known to even primary school pupils. And this letter from Hugo has always been quoted when people discuss the looting of the Summer Palace, not just this year.

jeff

I read Hugo's books in high school at 70's in China.

BEMIS

Isn't CAI MINGCHAO wonderful? IMO, he has provided the perfect answer(i.e. APPROPRIATE ETHICAL SOLUTION} to Christie's & other thieves.

jc

Yes you can find Victor Hugo's lines in primary school text books. Most high school graduates would be familiar with such names as Rousseau, Goethe, Hugo, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Shakespeare ... to name just a few ... Therefore the first sentence above actually indicates your lack of knowledge in the field of your expertise.

the tank man

France is not meant to be. it should be wiped out from the planet for once and all and all the frenchmen should be decapitated and buried as a fices of fertilizer for poppy grown in Burma while the frenchwomen should be cast into the jails for the sake of pedophiles and rapists. if possible, we would like to export french feces and whores into US or Middle East so as to generate a boatload of cabbages to conqure the whole world

jeff

WOW, "the tank man"

Be cool. We should only blame ourself. Us T.A.M.S. generation's romantic fantasy bubble about western civilization finally got bursted into vapor. At the end of the day, we are all human beens. We just have to be ourself.

Tim J

Tank Man, wow, I'm leaving your hate-filled message up because I think it illustrates the anger and rage of an educated but bigoted class of Chinese. I see you write from a "university of science and technology" in China. I won't tell readers where it is but it's obviously a good school. So please articulate why you hate France so much? After all, Victor Hugo is a Frenchman, and you can barely get a more eloquent defense of how the Yuanmingyuan rampage was immoral. Why would you lump all French together?

the tank man

I'm not going to reiterate a litany of what France did during the first&second Opium War cause i don't want to sound like a drone of the past. France is a country inherited with bandit and buffoon genes as evidenced of the Yuanmingyuan robbery their ancestors had done and the distracting policy its lousy stout president Nicolas Sarkozy has been promoting.As for Hugo's comment on Yuanmingyuan rampage, it's so WEAK and should have not been known if it were not china's nationalist education in its early foundation. If a slaughter and a robbery can be offset and forgotten just because of a feeble letter of depanic words, there are to slaughters and robberies. If there is a justice of debt to be paid off, France is still one of chinese biggest lenders who have not yet reimbursed for its past.The french hate the chinese and we now hate them back, and hate them to hell.

Pffefer

"I think it illustrates the anger and rage of an educated but bigoted class of Chinese. "

Tim,

How is one person representative of a whole class of people?

kooke

The irony of the whole story of the looted works of art is that had they not been looted by the British and the French they would have probably been smashed into pieces in the Cultural Revolution.

jeff

Oh, No, FLG is back.

fairplay

Kooke

The tired excuse of foreign looting saving Chinese cultural relics!??!!

The Forbidden Palace and the treasures within were NOT destroyed during the CR and I daresay that had Yuanmingyuan been around, it would have been protected by the PLA as well.

Jean Valjean

It seems to me that the Chinese are obsessed with the century of humiliation that their country endured in the 19th century. There is no question that this was a terrible time, but it's similar to me, a kid from New York, saying that I hate the South for starting the American Civil War (1861).

Tank Man, I can assure you that the French could care less about the Chinese (or about anyone else for that matter), but your virulent pledge of hatred and bigotry is a sad representation of the evolving and dangerous phenomenon that is the modern Chinese nationalism. Your ravings would have made me angry if your English wasn't so humoursly awful.

"If a slaughter and a robbery can be offset and forgotten just because of a feeble letter of depanic words, there are to slaughters and robberies".

Does the sentence make any sense? Be honest, did you just learn the word "depanic" in class yesterday and try to form a phrase around it?

Pffefer

"but your virulent pledge of hatred and bigotry is a sad representation of the evolving and dangerous phenomenon that is the modern Chinese nationalism."

Again, how is one person representative of anybody except him/herself? If I see a nasty Frenchman sprouting hatred (I am pretty sure there are some out there) toward the Chinese or anyone else, should I be making the same conclusion?

if you think his English is bad, try debating him in Chinese.

the tank man

@Jean, it's pedantic, you dickhead !

mmmm

How does one even know tankman is Chinese? My guess is he's an agent provacateur who in a follow-up post level the charge that he represents the "dangerous phenomenon that is the modern Chinese nationalism."

Just sayin'

johnny justice

The Chinese are obsessed with this yet they will not own up to the damage done in Tibet. Has China ever done one bad thing? No way, why they just magically grew to be the large country they are today. They never used military force ever. Poor Poor China. Always so kind and giving. Always so open and charitable to others. Always picked on. It's a good thing the communists came along and helped the country grow strong. Now know one dares pick on China. Yaaay

Pffefer

The Chinese simply need to develop thicker skin and don't give a damn about whatever foreigners say about them.

wooddoo

To Tim J

How does one person respresent a class?

For a journalist with basic professional ethics, you should know sweeping generalization borderlines racism.

That man just made a terrible comment and you waited no time to lump 1.3 billion people together.

Somebody mentioned Tibet above. First of all it's not related. Second, Tibetan rioters burned innocent girls alive last spring, but somehow that was justified by their supporters, including Tim Johnson here I assume, to be out of legitimate resentment towards the Chinese government. But I don't think you ever showed a modicum of sympathy for the girls. Yet when a perceived Chinese blogger uses hate speech against France the sky suddenly falls for you.

Shame.

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