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Veracity

The Dalai Lama is being courted as a means to further the political aspirations of politicians of every hue.
But will it ever translate into tangible support for the Tibetan cause, or will it, as always, remain hollow lip service after the Dalai Lama has served his ‘feel good’ publicity purpose?
http://one-just-world.blogspot.com/2008/07/letter-to-hu-jintao.html

A B

Meeting with llams are good.

Why, I think llamas are really good for steaks.

anon

Sarkozy should remember that China has given him a lot of face by not pointing out directly that China has actually never invited him to attend the ceremony. He was merely invited by the French Olympics Committee.

Pffefer

If John McCain wanted to meet the Dalai Lama because he truly likes the man and everything he stands for, then nobody should have a problem with it. But if he met the Dalai Lama simply to please the uber schtupid American voters consumed by the anti-Chinese sentiment, to win more votes then McCain and those schtupid American voters are just plain pathetic.

If those schtupid American voters are so sick and tired of China and the Chinese, they should petition to the US government to kick the Chinese ambassador out of the US and cut off all relations with China. Why not? No guts you say? Figured.

Schtupid people.

wee

An old political monk wearing Gucci shoes and making friends with Hollywood stars who shoot movies about sex, violence, and other basic instincts...

MT

"An old political monk wearing Gucci shoes and making friends with Hollywood stars who shoot movies about sex, violence, and other basic instincts..."

And yet the CCP is terrified enough to use so much diplomatic capital against him. What does that say about the CCP?

T.C.

The political monk in Gucci shoes is being used by the politicians in the west for political purposes, and he is using them to give him prestige and money to survive. That works quite well. Each part gets something out of it.

Jaime

@T.C.

China is using his Holiness the Dali Lama as well, as a distraction from internal problems of all sorts, and as a way to unify the nation and position themselves as the true authority.

Thats the government. The "angry youth" use the Dali Lama to vent steam, look down on their unwashed and ungrateful country cousins, complain about one of the fewer and fewer gripes that can get them jailed, etc.

So, in short order, everyone: his Holiness the Dali Lama, the Chinese and "western" governments, the media, and the citizens of varying countries are using each other for matters of power and gratification.

Thats called an orgy, and when done right, everyone gets off. When done wrong, ka-boom! I predict a kaboom.

pug_ster

McCain looks like he has one of those awkward handhold with the Dalai Lama.

coldblooded3

Dumb move. American wingnuts never liked that lama because he 's a socialist and semi marxist. Maccain should go lick balls of Dobson alike, rather than a flashy celebrity befriends with Hollywood.

Wilbur Varela

Curious to note that China doesn't have a single spiritual leader of any religion, other than the "party". There is no chinese leader of great integrity or morality that the world respects. Fear, yes. We all fear the Red Army. But love? Admiration? Think about it, no pope, no priest, no monk, no imam, no one to give sustenance of the spirit. And here we see the full envy and hatred on display, by those who consider themselves "scientific" and "logical." Perhaps that is why they hate and fear the Dalai Lama and the Pope.... because no man can exist by material means alone. Marx said religion is the "opiate" of the masses. And what did he leave China with? A soulless state, trying to find it's heart. I admire taoism and buddhism, which ironically flowered in China. Something to think about.

Jesus

The grass eating atheist doesn't believe in me or my bitch or my father in heaven. What can I say!

T.C.

What is a 'spiritual leader'? What is that for?
"substance of spirit"? Never heard about it.

T.C.

OK. I didn't have my glasses on.
Sorry. "Sustenance of spirit" ...still don't know what you meant.

T.C.

How can a guy took up arms to fight, failed and fled to India is a man for peace? If he succeeded, was he still a man for peace? I am very confused.

Junhui

I'm starting to wonder if this Wilbur fella even knows anything about China or reads any of our replies. I believe, many commentators, me for one, have stated time and time again that China is an officially atheist nation.

What good is a "spiritual leader" in an atheist nation? China has done pretty well in terms of religion over the course of history. If you really took the time to search up the Confucianism you would know that it is currently enjoying a rebirth in China. Parents are starting to send their children to Confucian schools on weekends to learn how to be humble. Rather than sending their children to die in the name of some deity who was actually a man no different from us. (NOTE: Confucianism is not a religion, but a philosophy)

"Religion" has put the CCP to shame in terms of spreading fear, death and the ability propagate its own agenda. Is it not enough to learn to be kind to others from philosophies or do we really need to be pressured by eternal damnation in order to be labeled a "kindred spirit"?

I certainly hope that no one in my family will send their children to die in the future for any monk, imam, pope or religious figure.

As far as McCain, I'm pretty sure his Christian constituents are not very pleased.

Junhui

@Wilbur

Before I forget, can you name one nation, which has freedom of religion, that has an international spiritual figure? I guess the rest of the free world just lacks "spiritual sustenance".

The greatest enemy of Freedom of Religion is not Freedom of No Religion but is in fact Freedom of One Religion.

jeff

Daliar Lama was petting our heroic senator?

jeff

Daliar Lama was petting our heroic senator?

coldblooded3

lol, so being religious is cool now? not like in the past 2 thousands years, ripping each others head off, burning ppl alive in the name of God? when was the turning point? i mean from blood suckers to peace loving souls? because I've gotta tell ya that has to be the greatest day in human history.

Condor

@Wilbur
It's not curious at all that China has no religious leader of note. That's because, compared to the West (from the Ancient Greeks, Mesopotamians and Egyptians to the present time) the Chinese civilization and culture, from Confucious onwards, have never been very religious at all (the old man was all for the observing religious rites but had little use for heaven, hell, or other netherworld destinations). And the Chinese today, even under a so called communist regime, have proven to be worthy inheritors of 2500 years of Confucian culture. I agree with Junhui that "'Religion' has put the CCP to shame in terms of spreading fear, death and the ability propagate its own agenda" (I copied it because it was so well put). One result is that as bloody as Chinese history have been in the past few millineums, the Chinese have generally refrained from torturing and slaughtering each other or other peoples because they profess to believe in another g(God), or even bothered to discriminate against them in every day life (thus wasting perfect opportunities to demonstrate their fitness as the ones chosen by God by causing misery and deprivation to their neighbors). It's something most people in the West have until very recently had a very difficult time understanding (and you obviously still don't), for good reasons given the almost genetic disposition of Western civilizations to bloodlet in the name of "one true God"

Overseas Chinese

Using others' internal contradictions for one's own internal politiking/posturing~ I just cannot imagine there can be any more sickier thing than this. There again, this is the true face of the pathetic West. People of the developing world rise up & smash this evil stranglehold of the West on our lives! The day the supremacy of the West diminishes is the day this sick parade shall cease to exist.

Wilbur Varela

Wow, must have touched a nerve with the overseas chinese. But lets review the logic here...because "religion" has killed more people than the athiest CCP, they are the lesser evil? Are we talking about the crusades and the inquisition versus the cultural revolution? the Dalai Lama has no army, and has killed no one... nor after fleeing his home, has he ever called for violence. Martin Luther King and Mahatma Ghandi, both believers in "religion", needed no fighter planes or thugs in track suits. And as for @ condor's comment that the chinese never killed because of religion, he might want to speak to a chinese christian family. Check out a book on the Ch'ien-lung era, or the Boxer rebellion. The larger point is that the Dalai Lama and Chine could work together to solve many problems, and demonstrate to the world a powerful new asian century, based on venerable traditions that can help our planet.

Condor

Well Wibur, I think you touched a nerve because more than even many of your other posts you have demonstrated an utter lack of knowledge of Chinese history or culture by insinuating some type of defect in the present day China because "...China doesn't have a single spiritual leader of any religion, other than the "party". There is no chinese leader of great integrity or morality that the world respects." Well, China has a lot of defects but this isn't one of them. And then, regretably, when I give you some background regarding religion in China, relative to the West so that even someone like you can form some perspective, you come and put words in my mouth - "condor's comment that the chinese never killed because of religion" - I have a hard time reconciling the "generally refrained" description in my post to your claim of "never." Besides this point, for your information, the Boxers were anti-western, and since a big contingent of westerners in China at that time were Christian missionaries - they included both these missionaries and their Chinese converts as targets of their wrath. Very unfortunate for the Christians, nevertheless it was not a conflict of religion. And in absolute terms, how can anyone with any sense of proportion compare what happened in the Boxer rebellion with the wholesale slaughter of cities that occured during the Crusades (Christian/Muslim, Christain/Jew, Christian/Christian [they crossed the wrong way - let's kill them]), the jihads (Muslim/Christian), the wars of Reformation (more Christian/Christan), the Inquisition (Christian/Jews, Christian/Moors, Christian/Christian [seems to be a favorite]), the progroms in all parts of Europe (Christian/Jews)...well, that was the point of my post. Your point was - love the Dalai - great - I wish you'd stick to it.

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Hey, where do I enroll to be a Buddhist monk?

They get to get lucky online...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-526004/Thai-Buddhist-monks-broke-celibacy-vows-flirting-women-online.html

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